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March 27, 2010

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VP

This is fantastic news and to have it online - wow!

Any ideas on when the RHS update might be available?

Graham Rice

Well, VegPlotter, the RHS has only recently begun to look at this issue so it will be a while, I'm afraid...

Cathy Wilkinson Barash

Any idea how soon is soon???

Christopher Lindsey

Finally!!!

Will the GIS data be freely available for download? I seem to remember this was one of the problems that the USDA had with the earlier, more 'proprietary' maps developed by the AHS.

Graham Rice

Cathy - how soon? No fixed date. What Kim Kaplan actually said was: "The final stages mainly involve contracting to host the demand by viewers so ARS and USDA computer servers do not crash under the demand and configuring the software to run well with that host." So as soon as that's all fixed, it sounds as if the map will be online.

Graham Rice

Chris - Hmmm... that I do not know. But it certainly sounds as if it will be possible to see the map online is great detail.

TC

I've been hearing rumors about a new hardiness zone map for some time. This is the first I've heard that it's about to become a reality.

And I might ask the same Ms. Cathy asked: Please tell me how soon is soon??

TC

I forgot to ask how well you think it will match up with the 2006 Arbor Day Foundation zone map?

http://www.arborday.org/media/zones.cfm

Graham Rice

TC - see my comment above about timing... looks like soon.

As to similarity to the 2006 Arbor Day Foundation map (which, as I understand it, is based on the map which had been under development on behalf of the American Horticultural Society but about which the USDA had reservations)... I suspect it will be fairly similar but in a great deal more valuable detail.

(Just as a reminder - I haven't seen the new map either!)

Andrea

Do you have any more details about the Royal Horticultural society's plans?

Graham Rice

No news about the RHS plans yet, Andrea, they've only just started to consider the issue.

Blackswampgirl Kim

Oh my goodness... it seems like ALL of Ohio is now listed as Zone 6 on this map! I don't know about that--while I get away with zone 6 plants regularly up here by the lake, my friends and family in the western half of the state don't fare as well with them. I think that people who are gardening in newly designated numbers should still err on the side of caution and test things out before they buy a bunch of plants for the next warmer zone... no?

Graham Rice

You're right Kim. But let's wait till the new USDA map appears - with a and b zones at 5F intervals - and not get carried away by the Arbor Day map...

Graham Rice

John David, of the Royal Horticultural Society, sent these comments by email:

"It is fair to say that the RHS recognises the limitations of the current system of hardiness ratings, not only with respect to its applicability to the whole of the UK but also in terms of other factors which have a strong influence on whether plants may be grown in a region or not. I am, of course, aware of the views of our friends north of the border (Scotland) on this subject.

"A focus just on winter temperatures is misleading, as we know from comparing US hardiness zones with UK hardiness zones as illustrated in the European Garden Flora, for instance. Summer temperatures, which influence ripening, is also critical at higher latitudes - not to mention light levels, rainfall and soil type, all of which contribute to a plant's ability to survive a cold winter. Any system that incorporated all these would rapidly become unwieldy and therefore not of much help to gardeners.

"In the run up to the next 10-yearly review of the AGM lists in 2012, we would like to put in place a revised hardiness rating system that more adequately reflects people's experience of growing plants, while retaining the relative simplicity of the current coding system. I am open to suggestions as to what might be more useful but we will be consulting with the RHS Plant Committees for their views as well."

Paul

There is already a GIS enabled version of the usda (1990 version) at http://www.plantmaps.com/usda_hardiness_zone_map.php

Graham Rice

Thanks Paul, what a great resource.

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